como jimmy page fazia o efeito do whole lotta love

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SynysterGates
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# mai/12


aquele som
whole lotta love oooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuum
whole lotta love oooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmm
como ele fazia esse oooooooooooooooum?
queria muito saber

Spect
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# mai/12 · Editado por: Spect
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como ele fazia esse oooooooooooooooum?

Tendo um estúdio a disposição dele. Apesar de eu achar que ele usou um slide, fica difícil fazer isso tocando a música.

renatocaster
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Spect

Apesar de eu achar que ele usou um slide

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SynysterGates
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slide?será?

Spect
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SynysterGates
slide?será?

Provavelmente sim, que depois foi editado para dar aquele efeito de indo de um lado para o outro e inserido na gravação.

renatocaster
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SynysterGates

slide?será?

Sim, slide. Não vejo outro recurso para explicar a sonoridade daquela frase.

Claro que teve edição como o amigo Spect disse, mas na essencia, pra mim, aquilo foi gravado com slide mesmo.

Abs

wotafok
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ja vi ele usando em um dvd aquele graveto que toca violino pra fazer esse som :T

De Ros
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wotafok

"aquele graveto que toca violino"

Graveto.
Uhauhauhauhauhauhauhauhauhauhauhauhauhauahuahuahauh!!!!!!! Ótima!!!!

MauricioBahia
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"O guitarrista gravou a guitarra com um graveto." Isso me parece familiar...

LeandroP
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# mai/12 · Editado por: LeandroP
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Ele usou um "Theremin", que era tocado mais ou menos desta forma:

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LeandroP
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O teremim é um dos primeiros instrumentos musicais completamente eletrônicos. Inventado em 1919 pelo russo Lev Sergeivitch Termen (conhecido também pela forma francesa do nome: Léon Theremin), o teremim é único por não precisar de nenhum contato físico para produzir música e foi, de facto, o primeiro instrumento musical projetado para ser tocado sem precisar de contato, pois é executado movimentando-se as mãos no ar. Apresentado pelo próprio inventor em 1920, o instrumento opera através do princípio da produção de efeito heteródino em dois osciladores de frequência radiofônicos e consiste de caixa com duas antenas externas, uma que controla a altura, e outra, o volume, ao redor das quais o músico movimenta suas mãos para produzir som. O teremim também tem versões com teclado e com espelho, como o dos instrumentos de corda.

[Fonte: Wikipédia]

LeandroP
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Rlr0FgSVc

renatocaster
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# mai/12 · Editado por: renatocaster
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LeandroP

Ele usou um "Theremim"

Ele usou nas duas partes? Ou vc está se referindo apenas ao trecho da música onde no clipe que ele usa o "graveto" de violino?

MauricioBahia
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Retirado do ótimo site Songfacts: http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=308

This was Led Zeppelin's first US single, and their only US Top-10 hit. Some of their most popular songs, like "Stairway To Heaven," were not released as singles.

Atlantic Records pressed copies of the single to release in England, but Peter Grant, their manager, wouldn't let them. He felt releasing singles in England would hurt album sales, and the band thought that one song was not a good representation of any group. In the US, it was acceptable because more people bought singles.

Blues great Willie Dixon sued the band, claiming they stole this from his song "You Need Love." The band reached an agreement with Dixon, who used the settlement money to set up a program providing instruments for schools.

The free-form section was the result of Page and engineer Eddie Kramer "twiddling every knob known to man."

This might be the first use of "backward echo." Page put the echo of Plant's lines before he says them, creating an interesting sound.

Robert Plant did the vocal in one take.

Led Zeppelin used this as the basis for a medley they performed in their later shows. They had lots of songs by then, so they used the medley to play snippets of their popular songs they did not want to play all the way through. They incorporated various Blues songs in these medleys as well, notably "Boogie Chillen" by John Lee Hooker, which was often followed by what they called "Boogie Woogie, by Unknown," and "Let's Have A Party" by Wanda Jackson. They would put this in when Robert Plant would yell, "Way Down INSIDE." (thanks, Thomas - Toronto, Canada)

This was used as the theme song to the BBC music show Top of the Pops. The band never appeared on the program, as they had no interest in lip-synching and weren't a good fit for the TOTP audience.

Some parts of the song as well as some lyrics were borrowed form a song called "You Need Loving" by the Small Faces. The Small Faces was a '60 band that Zeppelin modeled themselves after. (thanks, Andy - Cleveland, OH)

The remaining members of Led Zeppelin played this at their Live Aid reunion in 1985. Along with Tony Thompson, Phil Collins sat in on drums. Collins was the biggest presence at Live Aid. He played a set in London, flew to Philadelphia, played another set, then stayed on when Zeppelin took the stage. Jimmy Page was not happy - he thought Collins butchered this.

On some live versions, Jimmy Page played the Theremin, a bizarre electronic instrument he liked to experiment with consisting of a black box and an antennae. The sound is altered by moving one's hand closer to or farther from the antennae and was used to create the fuzz that alternates back and forth through the speakers. It can be heard to great effect on their Royal Albert Hall footage. The Theremin was used by The Beach Boys on "Good Vibrations." (thanks, Collin - Midland, TX)

Page, Plant, and John Paul Jones played this at the Atlantic Records 40th anniversary concert in 1988 with Jason Bonham sitting in on drums for his late father. Jason would join the band again in 2007 at a benefit concert for the Ahmet Ertegun education fund, where they played this as the first encore.

In 1997, this became the only single Led Zeppelin released in the UK, although there were several pressings made of "Trampled Underfoot" that were all shelved before being released, and are, today, viewed as highly collectable. (thanks, Jon - Wayne, PA)

Robert Plant played this on the Strange Sensations tour of the UK in 2005. (thanks, iain - edinburgh, Scotland)

Jimmy Page played the loose Blues riff for the intro on a Sunburst 1958 Les Paul Standard through a 100W Marshall "Plexi" head amp with distortion from the EL34 output valves.

Jack Johnson performed a very laid-back version of this song when he headlined the first night of the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival in 2008.

Alexis Korner hit #13 UK with his cover of this song in 1970 with his studio group CCS. (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France, for above 2)

This song was performed by Leona Lewis and Jimmy Page at the closing ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Olympics during the hand over to the host of the 2012 games, London. Prior to the performance there was some concern about the track's somewhat family unfriendly lyrical content, but Lewis tactfully changed the words from "every inch of my love" to "every bit of my love."
They appeared alongside English soccer star David Beckham as symbols of British entertainment, both old and new. The performance took place in a magnificent, elaborate setting: Beijing's "Bird's Nest" Olympic Stadium. Lewis and Page appeared out of what had been a London double-decker bus, later transformed into a garden of green hedges. (thanks, Arthur - North East, Poland)

John Paul Jones told Uncut magazine January 2009 that Page began to come into his own as a producer around the time of this song. Said Jones: "The backwards echo stuff. A lot of the microphone techniques were just inspired. Using distance-miking… and small amplifiers. Everybody thinks we go in the studio with huge walls of amplifiers, but he doesn't. He uses a really small amplifier and he just mikes it up really well, so that it fits into a sonic picture."

On May 5, 2009, this became the first Led Zeppelin song performed on American Idol when Adam Lambert sang it during Rock week, with Slash as the guest mentor. The judges loved Lambert's version and he advanced to the next round.

In 2010, Mary J. Blige covered "Whole Lotta Love" and "Stairway To Heaven," which were released as downloads and appeared on the UK version of her Stronger With Each Tear album. Musicians contributing to these tracks include Steve Vai, Orianthi, blink-182 drummer Travis Barker and Randy Jackson of American Idol fame, who played bass. "Whole Lotta Love" was produced by RedOne and Ron Fair, who is Chairman of Geffen Records. (thanks, Bertrand - Paris, France)

paulinho pc
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LeandroP

eu queria só uma meióta do que o Plant bebeu nesse dia pra ficar daquele jeito.

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renatocaster

No refrão eu acho que ele usou a técnica de slide descendente com um "fade in" (slide sem o som do ataque). Pode ter sido até com o potenciômetro da guitarra mesmo. Não sei. É o que eu acho.

guizimm
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# mai/12 · Editado por: guizimm
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edit

Spect
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MauricioBahia

Nesse que você postou não diz sobre o refrão, mas achei aqui:
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Whole_Lotta_Love#Album_version
As with the first album, Page used distance miking techniques to increase the depth in tone for the rhythm guitar track. A metal slide was used for a descending guitar effect during the chorus of 'Whole Lotta Love'.

renatocaster
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MauricioBahia

Jimmy Page played the loose Blues riff for the intro on a Sunburst 1958 Les Paul Standard through a 100W Marshall "Plexi" head amp with distortion from the EL34 output valves.

A internet é uma faca de dois "legumes" mesmo né? Olha o que escreveram na Wikipedia:

The song is in compound AABA form.[5] Page played the loose blues riff for the intro, on a Telecaster through a 100W Marshall "Plexi" head amp with distortion from the EL34 output valves, which ascends into the first chorus.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Lotta_Love

Acho que no final das contas ele deve ter usado as duas e muitas outras, hehehe.

Abs

Thyago_Trajano
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Em estúdio vale tudo né...sabe Deus o que ele usou...

Mas me deu uma puta vontade de ouvir meus LP's (isso mesmo) do Led Zeppelin...

Vou botar pra tocar aqui....

JJJ
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Fico com o slide mesmo e gravado em overdub por cima da base (tanto que ao vivo não há esse efeito).

MauricioBahia
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renatocaster: A internet é uma faca de dois "legumes" mesmo né?

Será que o Page responde e-mails? hehe

Falou!

Spect: Nesse que você postou não diz sobre o refrão, mas achei aqui:

Boa!

guizimm
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Thyago_Trajano
sabe Deus o que ele usou...
a gente tabem sabe, foi um teremin

MauricioBahia
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# mai/12 · Editado por: MauricioBahia
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Saquei da estante o livro Whole Lotta Led Zeppelin que diz: ]

Page was also fond of "backwards reverb", where the tape is flipped over and reverb recorded to an empty track while it is playing in reverse; then, when the tape is turned back over, the backwards reverb is heard before the sound it was applied to. Page has said he used it on the slide part during the chorus of "Whole Lotta Love", but it is likely also used on the muddle section of the song, and at other points on the album.

Então pelo que entendi foi slide misturado com reverb reverso. Algo assim. Confuso hein...

Thyago_Trajano
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guizimm
não sei quanto a vc, mas eu não estou muito convencido disso...

ALF is back
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la vem o do contra dar a opinião dele...vamo lá:

acho q ele usou um slide fixo....parado em alguma casa (quando chegar em casa vejo onde é) e alavancou sua fender...

sim, Page usava strato no estudio e Gibson ao vivo...

(tanto que ao vivo não há esse efeito) [2]

renatocaster
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ALF is back

sim, Page usava strato no estudio e Gibson ao vivo...

Neste artigo da Wikipedia, foi dito que na verdade nessa música ele usou uma Telecaster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whole_Lotta_Love

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renatocaster
por isso eu digo q ele nao usou um slide fixo com strato alavancando

MauricioBahia
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ALF is back

Strat? Onde leu isso?

SynysterGates
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Obg pessoal ajudou a entender
mas o graveto foi foda demais
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