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# abr/11
Para quem gosta mesmo de Hammond, novidades ...
Este assunto está bem comentado no synthbr
SK1 - 1x 61 teclas ..
SK2 - 2x 62 teclas .. bom neh?
http://hammondorganco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id =149&Itemid=158
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gustavocp
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Boooom!!!
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andrecstudio
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Quero ouvir o som dos extras e do organ logico....
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Scoth_Pr
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Adorei essa novidade aí..... fantástica
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gustavocp
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Diz ali que tem piano acústico... Vejamos!!!
Acho que o som de órgão não deve mudar muito dos irmãos Xk3/Xk1, etc...
Quero mesmo é ver os sons extras.
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ThyagoAmaral
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G.A.S.
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gustavocp
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AHeuahueaheuaHEUAheuEAhe
Nord C1/C2 fazendo amigos...
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_BLACKMORE_
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hoje recebi um mail com o preço aproximado em dolares 2360 ... deve chegar aqui por uns 9 conto. ...
edit.
olha q lindo o SK-2 ...
http://www.suzuki-music.co.jp/hammond/sk1_sk2/images/mai02.jpg
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gustavocp
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Lindo mesmo...
VASEIII
Drawbars físicas
Dois manuais...
Legal!!!
pena que é essa facada sempre!
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adao chagas
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Olá,
Para quem quer conhecer o som dos pianos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-vy9QJmFMw
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Shadad
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Talvez a culpa seja da captação do áudio dessa demo, mas mesmo assim eu farei o comentário:
Que timbres de pianos vagabundos!
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gustavocp
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('Que timbres de pianos vagabundos') ²
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gustavocp
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# abr/11 · Editado por: gustavocp
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Na real, eu vou remediar um pouco.
Eu acho que, pro propósito de ser um emulador de B3, os pianos estão bons.
É que eu sou chato mesmo com som de piano. Então eu joguei as pedras antes de pensar melhor.
Mas, sim... melhor do que os extra-souds do Xk-1 com certeza está.
Com certeza o visual do Sk-2 tá muito mais legal do que os equiparáveis vermelhos C1/C2.
Se eu não tivesse um clone ainda, e se as promessas do Sk-1 realmente são todas verdadeiras, esse seria meu investimento.
PS: o cara podia tirar um pouco do reverb daquele wurli da demo.
PS2: tem uma galera apostando que o Xk-1 será descontinuado, mais pela questão do peso do Sk-1 ser inferior... e consequentemente, a fofoca nas ruas é que o preço do Xk-1 usado vai cair bastante.
PS3: acho saudável, deixa o Xk3 com o público mais puro e aposta nesses teclados mais compactos e leves pra quem procura só som e não o feeling todo de um B3.
PS4: Ainda bem que eu não comprei aquele C1...
:)
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gustavocp
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Tá, já que ninguém mais falou nada... eu vou falar.
Eu li muita coisa nessa última semana em fóruns internacionais sobre esse lançamento.
Coisas que eu acho importante que sejam mencionadas:
- Houve uma mudança no Chorus/Vib do Sk-1. Teoricamente está melhor do que os irmãos Xk-1 e Xk-3c.
- A simulação de Leslie também foi melhorada.
- Parece que esse demo que foi postado não faz jus aos timbres extras. Eu LI que eles não são ruins. Mas, vamos ouvir um ao vivo pra confirmar isso.
Bom, resumindo tudo. Eu to achando que esses Sk-1 e Sk-2 (que mais me chamou atenção ainda) vão representar boas vendas pra Hammond.
Eu só queria muuuuito saber o preço deles aqui!.....
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gustavocp
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Vou colar alguns pontos que o organista Jim Alfredson comentou num outro fórum.
Ele testou o Sk-1 neste último final de semana e comentou a respeito.
"Ok friends, I'm just back from the gig at Fitzgerald's. Scott could not make it out for the gig but he very kindly stopped by the hotel beforehand to give me a personal guided tour of the SK1 and let me play around with it. He did take some video which he said will make it's way onto the Hammond website soon.
The short and sweet? Hammond has a winner. In my opinion, it makes the Nord obsolete. Real drawbars (though they are not exactly like the XK series drawbars... more on that later), absolutely fantastic organ engine, great Leslie sim, and the other sounds are very good. Plus it is multi-timbral, meaning you can play the organ and the external sounds at the same time.
Ok, now for the long review:
First and foremost, it is very compact. And the gig bag (not sure if that's included or an add-on; probably the latter) is really slick. It's a lot like the Nord gig bag and can be used as a backpack. As we all know, it's about 15 lbs. Very lightweight, yet all the controls are very sturdy. And the OS is much like the rest of Hammond's line. The layout is straight forward. It didn't take me hardly any time at all to find my way around. Lots of dedicated buttons for important functions and like the XK3/c if you hold a button down for a few seconds, the LCD automatically switches to that button's related sub-menu for further tweaking.
The keyboard itself feels great. Not the same as the XK3/c. More like the XK1, but not exactly the same as that either. It's a Fatar action. I liked it. Very responsive. The extra sounds played well on it, too. It's very nice for electric piano.
The organ engine is, according to Scott May, the same as the XK3c with a few important tweaks. The Leslie sim is improved and the chorus/vibrato is from the New B3 MkII. Both sounded very good. The C/V was definitely a step forward in authenticity compared to my XK3. I didn't have a real B3 to compare it to, but to my ears it sounds really good. The percussion sounds much better, too. It's got that nice woody thwack. There are lots of tweakable parameters and tonewheel sets to choose from. I didn't spend much time messing with all that since it sounded so good as is. I did play with the Leslie settings a bit since the stock settings are better for stereo and I had the SK1 connected to my Leslie 2101 bottom cabinet (a killer keyboard amp, btw). You can choose different Leslie models including 122, 147, 31H, & 760. Each sounded different. The 31H model was great. The ramp down of the low rotor was really well done. Single speed Leslies ramp up and down much differently than two-speed Leslies and Hammond really paid attention to that detail.
The onboard reverb has it's own dedicated knob and sounded great. Easily tweakable and switchable on or off. The other effects were great, too (including the Crybaby wah-wah sim... more on that in a minute).
Overall, the organ engine is top notch. I even put it through the Ventilator (Scott had never heard one). It sounded great but I was able to tweak the onboard sim to sound just as good as the Vent sans overdrive. I gotta be honest: The Vent still holds the crown in terms of the overdrive emulation.
The drawbars are very interesting. They are actually sliding potentiometers. If you look closely at the hi-res pic posted earlier in this thread, you can see the little "tracks" of the sliders, like mixer faders (or I guess the Ocean Beach unit). They do not click like regular drawbars; they are perfectly smooth. But they feel really nice. And they look like drawbars, with the numbered "bar" and everything. I think still having the bar lends stability to the whole thing, so they don't feel like mixer faders at all. They feel like drawbars (sans clicking).
Ok, onto what I'm sure everyone is wondering about; the other, non-organ sounds.
Acoustic Piano: I liked it a lot. There's a lot of different ones; several stereo pianos, stereo with pads, and yes even a true mono piano. I really liked the sound and response. I can't imagine someone not being happy with it in a band context. Is it Ivory quality? No, but it sounds very nice on it's own and I guarantee will cut through the mix on the bandstand. I would leave my Motif rack at home if I had the SK1 piano. It is light-years better than the piano in the Nord Electro2, in my opinion.
Rhodes: There are two different Rhodes, with variations of those two sample sets including dry, with panning, with phasing, and with overdrive. The overdrive is (as of yet) not tweakable on the extra voices that use it, something that Scott said he is hoping they'll change in the final version. I preferred the first sample set Rhodes. It reminded me of the VintageCase sound on my Motif ES rack. I would be perfectly happy gigging with this Rhodes sound.
Wurlitzer: Scott wanted me to be frank with him about it. He is concerned about everyone's opinion. I think the lower octave is really good. Nice and gnarly when you smack it, full and mellow when you don't. The second octave seemed to respond differently to the same velocity and was not quite as strong. The upper octaves sounded really good. The preset Wurli patch was not as good as just the raw samples I played. Not sure what is changed in the preset, but you can certainly tweak it. As JMcS guessed, playing with the velocity settings helps a lot. Currently there are four velocity settings. 1 seemed to work the best for me. As you go up (2, 3, & 4) it changes the response curve so it's easier to hit full velocity with less force. I would like to see an additional level below 1 for myself. But then again, I didn't get the chance to MIDI up my Privia to the SK1 to see how the non-organ sounds responded. Oh well.
Anyway, Scott and I discussed some ideas to make the Wurli better. It's almost there. I would not be opposed to using it on a gig, that's for sure. It is not quite up to par with the Nord, but it is close. The Wurlitzer is one thing Nord really nailed, imo. I also really like the Wurli sound in my Motif ES rack. The Hammond is close; some small tweaks (which may or may not be possible for the end-user right now) is all that's needed.
The clavinet sounds are killer. Very extensive including all possible combination of pick-ups. The auto-wah is cool; I'm not a big auto-wah fan but it sounds like it should. The Crybaby wah wah pedal feature, which turns your expression pedal into a wha pedal, is AWESOME! It sounds bad-ass. That was one of my favorite sounds. The keybed of the SK1 feels great playing clav parts, too. The clav is a winner.
There are a lot of other sounds on-board. Some are very inspiring, including a very extensive set of accordion sounds, probably the most comprehensive set I've seen in a keyboard. And they sound really really good. The pipe organ is wicked and my brain was spinning with all the possibilities of using those tones in an organ trio setting! In fact Scott had me play a bit of "All The Things You Are" with a neat pipe organ setting that sounded really cool!
The Vox and Farfisa sounds are great, too. And there's a patch called "Lucy" which sounds exactly like the intro from Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds, which was a Lowrey organ. And another preset called "Telstar", which emulates the Clavioline. Fun stuff!
And then there's a really cool feature that is really hard to explain, but it reminds me of a chord organ type feature. Scott took some video of me playing around with it using a saxophone big band section type sound. Again, my wheels were spinning thinking about the possibilities of incorporating it into live performance.
There were some cheesy analog-esque lead sounds (not monophonic unfortunately) and some Solina type 70s string sounds (cool but not really my bag) as well.
Overall, I'm really impressed. This is an instrument for the gigging musician. I want one. Or two. Or maybe an SK1 for Janiva and an SK2 for organissimo.
The non-organ sounds are great. And with the ability to load in other sound sets in the future? Watch out.
If they can tweak the Wurli a bit before release, it will be a no-brainer. As it stands now, it's really close to being just about perfect for me.
Fellas, get out your credit cards."
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adao chagas
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Olá,
Mais um vídeo:
http://blip.tv/file/5062137
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gustavocp
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# mai/11
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Procurem no Youtube por: "Hammond Sk1 Vol 2"
Eu tenho que dar o braço a torcer... Os timbres extras ficaram bons sim.
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Juruna_Tecladista
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Vai chegar aqui pelo mesmo preço da tua alma.
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gustavocp
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# mai/11 · Editado por: gustavocp
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Com certeza!
Competição direta com os Electros.
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gustavocp
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Mais uma demo:
Procurar no Youtube por "Hammond Sk-1 Vol 3"
Abraços.
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tecladoprofusao
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Pra facilitar:
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_BLACKMORE_
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bem interessante esses novos sons ... ainda não tinha ouvido.
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gustavocp
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# fev/12 · Editado por: gustavocp
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Sente só esse demo...
E essa, um pouco mais podre... mas mesmo assim legal...
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Mr Madruga
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ThyagoAmaral
Vistes agora que tem Hammond com mais do que orgãos?
E acho que não é o primeiro, mas esse SK1 é mais completo.
Tokai devia algo assim também, pra ajudar no nacionalismo.
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gustavocp
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Tem uns sons extras no XK1, mas eram muito ruins.
Os sons extras do Sk1/Sk-2 são muito bons.
Sobre a Tokai (Ventura)...
A Tokai devia melhorar o software de geração de som deles.
O pessoal lá fora tem opções muito melhores ainda.
E um exemplo de que produtos de fora tem opção lá fora se são boas é o Crumar Mojo. Italiano, e que conquistou todo o mundo com a qualidade de som.
Nos fóruns gringos não tem ninguém que não concorde que o VB3 (software que gera o som do Crumar Mojo) é o mais fiel até hoje já feito.
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Nos fóruns gringos não tem ninguém que não concorde que o VB3 (software que gera o som do Crumar Mojo) é o mais fiel até hoje já feito
não discordo que seja o mais fiel ... mas eu discordo quanto a software, eu não sei ao certo, mas tenho uma impressão de que o cabra sampleou nota a nota, e com um algoritmo para cada tecla ele fez o software do baguinho ... eu gostaria de mais informações técnicas e não apenas opniões dos usuários ...
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gustavocp
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Ele não é sampleado, é modelado.
Cada detalhe é criado/modelado através de algoritmos especialistas.
Keyclick, percussão, até diferentes tipos de tonewheel. Todos parametros modificável.
Mas, tu tá certo, temos que acreditar nas nossas próprias orelhas. :)
Eu também queria saber mais detalhes de como ele implementou. Como programador isso me deixa louco de curiosidade.
E, mais louco ainda é que é o esforço de uma só pessoa. Um programador solo assustando gigantes como Native-Instruments, Nord, Suzuki, Korg, etc.
É possível.
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gustavocp
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Tu já pensou alguma vez em... programar um VST?
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_BLACKMORE_
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Ele não é sampleado, é modelado
sampler ou modelamento ... cada nota com um algoritmo diferente ... entende?
Eu também queria saber mais detalhes de como ele implementou. Como programador isso me deixa louco de curiosidade
vc é programador? já pensou em programar um bixo deste?
E, mais louco ainda é que é o esforço de uma só pessoa. Um programador solo assustando gigantes como Native-Instruments, Nord, Suzuki, Korg, etc
... já ouviu falar da dificuldade de Einstein com matemática? existem uns loucos assim ..
Tu já pensou alguma vez em... programar um VST?
muitas vezes, e fazer o meu próprio Hammond, Rhodes, Wulitzer, Moog, ARP ... ou então implementar algo semelhante aquele V-machine ... só que "sem bug".
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waltercruz
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Tem umas infos em http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=24
" Also, you should know that VB3 doesn't use any samples. All the sound it produces is 100% calculated in real-time. The waveforms are modeled after an accurate examination of actual electromagnetic organ's output signals, and digitally reproduced with the help of mathematical formulas and computations."
a Native que parece que abandonou a modelagem física pra usar samples no Vintage Organs.
Sou programador tb :)
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