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# dez/09
Eu gosto! Amo o John Bonham mas acho o Ringo um batera original e de personalidade, já vi baterista dizer que o Ringo fazia linha de bateria, o que não é muito comum. Independentemente disso, eu gosto do Ringão, é mais um para a lista dos injustiçados.
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Sedank
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concordo
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jimmy vandrake
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Não entendo o por que do injustiçado. O cara era batera da Banda mais conhecida de todos os tempos, o que o torna um dos bateristas mais populares do mundo. Se tivesse sido substituido seria sim uma injustiça.
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Jimmy Vandrake
O Ringo disse uma vez: "Toco na melhor banda do mundo, logo, sou o melhor baterista do mundo"
hehehehe...
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LeD_HaleN
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o ringo era um dos melhores bateristas de liverpool na epoca, no inicio dos beatles, era dificil arrumar batera por lá, só q ele sofreu muito com a beatlemania, aquele povo gritando direto, os caras ao vivo mal conseguia se ouvir =\
aqueles amps vox de 30w, o proprio ringo falou isso, ele conseguia fazer só a base pros caras não se perder, devido a zuada.
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Ian Anderson
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Se tivesse sido substituido seria sim uma injustiça.
Na verdade isso aconteceu com o baterista que o Ringo substituiu, hoje o cara vive fazendo cover dos Beatles (pelo q ouvi dizer eh a melhor banda de cover dos Beatles que tem) que ironico.
E caso não saiba Ringo também eh canhoto, e ontem estava pensando que soh tinha sobrado os canhotos da banda.
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Desculpe mas aqui Ringo non Starrr
8D
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jimmy vandrake
Não entendo o por que do injustiçado.
Injustiçado, porque o Ringo era (e ainda é) muito criticado por vários músicos, que dizem que ele é um baterista fraco.
Ian Anderson
o baterista que o Ringo substituiu, hoje o cara vive fazendo cover dos Beatles (pelo q ouvi dizer eh a melhor banda de cover dos Beatles que tem) que ironico.
Você confundiu um pouco as coisas.
O Pete Best tem uma banda própria, que toca músicas próprias, que é a The Pete Best Band.
Eventualmente, ele toca junto com a banda argentina The Beats,que se auto-intitula a melhor banda cover dos Beatles no mundo.
Até mais.
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jimmy vandrake
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edu ROCK
Particularmente sempre achei estas opiniões tolas. Beatles sem Ringo jamais teria o mesmo som. Beatles precisava exatamente de uma batera como Ringo para ser o que foi.
Assim como nas demais bandas a mesma coisa. Ao meu ver nunca existiu o melhor ou o pior, mas sim a característica de cada um que acaba gerando aquela sonoridade que é a particularidade de cada banda.
Acho que estas discussões normalmente não tem fim, por que a opinião das pessoas esta associada a maturidade e por fim demora para que haja entendimento dos fatos.
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edu ROCK
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jimmy vandrake
Concordo contigo.Também não acho que o Ringo seja um baterista fraco.
Eu escrevi aquilo mais a titulo de informação mesmo, não que eu concorde com aquelas opiniões.
Abraço
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Motoboy From Hell-SDMF
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na verdade, os the beats se intitulam assim depois d ganhar um concurso feito lah em liverpool
(alias, ja conferi um show deles....e pqp, eh do caralho)
Falando no ringo, ele soltou um video sobre a gravaçao do novo album!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJkSnGqpLl0&feature=player_embedded#
Bom ver ele trabalhando com o paul de novo!
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jimmy vandrake
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Motoboy From Hell-SDMF
Cara excelente este vídeo. Ringo é a própria simpatia em forma de gente. Agora como cantor, prefiro ele como baterista, uhahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuuhahuahuahuahuahu.
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edu ROCK
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Motoboy From Hell-SDMF
na verdade, os the beats se intitulam assim depois d ganhar um concurso feito lah em liverpool
Não sabia, cara. Interessante.
E valeu pelo vídeo aí.Bem legal.
Abraço.
jimmy vandrake
Agora como cantor, prefiro ele como baterista, uhahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuahuuhahuahuahuahuahu.
Não vou dizer que eu o acho um exímio cantor, mas eu acho a voz dele bem legal.
Curto mais a voz dele que a do George.
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Les Guitar
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jimmy vandrake
É. auhaeuihaeuiheauihea
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Motoboy From Hell-SDMF
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edu ROCK
entao, nao sei direito qual é a do festival. Mas acho q eh o maior q fazem lah, confronto d bandas cover de beatles sabe
(eles falaram isso no show, mostraram umas imagens d video tb e tal haheuhe)
jimmy vandrake
ele deve ser a pessoa + zen do mundo neh hauhauhauha
Ah, eu gosto dele cantando. Claro q nao eh uma coisa genial como "os outros 3", mas ahh..eh o ringo! hauhauhauha
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Musicólatra
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A voz do Ringo é muito massa, eu adoro "Act Naturally". Sem falar nas outras..."What goes on", "Matchbox", "With a little help from my friends"...é um dos poucos bateristas que canta e toca.
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kiki
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hahahahahaha
o ringo é mutchuloco....
gostei do video, muito bom.
eu gosto do ringo, ele é discreto, mas segura as musicas absurdamente bem, e consegue botar personalidade em alguns trechos especificos.
por exemplo a entrada depois do solo de "i fell fine", na repetição do refrão de "strawberry fields forever", e na entrada pra 2a partde de "oh! darling"
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LeD_HaleN
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# dez/09 · Editado por: LeD_HaleN
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a melhor letra q o ringo escreveu pra mim foi Octopus's Garden
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Helix
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kiki
Também mencionaria a bateria em "Rain" - acho duca.
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Marcelo Bico
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A antipatia de boa parte dos fãs com o Ringo vem da época em que ele substituiu o Pete Best em 1962. O Best era o bonitão da banda e deixou um monte de fazocas descabeladas. Mas a verdade é que o Ringo Starr já era melhor baterista do que o Pete Best para a banda.
It Don't Come Easy e Photograph são duas obras primas desse narigudo.
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Gaiteiro15
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# mar/11
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Além de ser o membro menos problemático da banda.
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rhoadsvsvai
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# mar/11
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nao acho o ringo ruim ,acho inclusive exelente e perfeito para os beatles , mas o keith moon ou o phil collings nos beatles seria animal
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fripp
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# mar/11
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A ironia é que, apesar de muito criticado, Ringo foi o único dos Beatles a entrar para a banda pelas suas qualidades musicais. Expulsaram o Pete Best quando finalmente tinham um contrato assinato e roubaram o Ringo dos Rory Storm and the Hurricanes no meio de uma turnê. O curioso é que mesmo com Ringo à bordo, o George Martin preferiu contratar um baterista de estúdio para gravar o primeiro single.
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Helix
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Marcelo Bico
Cara, olha, se não me engano, nenhuma dessas duas músicas são de sua autoria, do Ringo, mas do George, embora o guitarrista tenha abdicado dos créditos em ambas. Não me lembro quando, nem onde, li uma entrevista de Ringo dizendo sem o menor pudor e até brincando com isso, que sua participação na autoria dessas músicas foi mínima e que todo crédito deveria ser dado ao George...O cara é uma peça, uma figuraça. Ah, não pense que eu esteja querendo...como dizer...denegrir a imagem do Ringo. Nada disso, pois sou fã de carteirinha de todos os Fab4.
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Helix
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rhoadsvsvai
Não funcionaria. Tudo que os Beatles precisavam era de um baterista como Ringo, não virtuoso, mas extremamente musical e criativo. Um baterista virtuoso, como Moon, ou Portnoy, para citar um daquela época e um de agora, seria tudo que os Beatles precisariam.
Aliás, Mike Portnoy tem como ídolo maior o Ringo e como banda preferida, os Beatles.
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Luiz Frusciante
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Haviam piadas dentro dos Beatles com ele..
O próprio Lennon já brincou, quando questionado sobre a habilidade de Ringo: "Ele nem é o melhor baterista dos Beatles" hehehe
Mas eu gosto dele, não tinha uma técnica extrema mas completava adequadamente o quarteto mais famoso do mundo.
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Helix
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Luiz Frusciante
Mas, bom...muitas vezes o que John dizia não devia ser escrito...Exemplo, quando George, insatisfeito, disse que estava fora, ele simplesmente disse ao Paul: "Ok, vamos colocar o Clapton no lugar dele".
Mudando de assunto, não sei se estou infringindo alguma norma do Fórum (penso que não), mas uma dica para qualquer um que goste dos Beatles: Stevie Riks. Já viram essa peça os imitando ? Então corram para o Youtube e vejam. Comecem com Hey Bulldog... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8MOeES_x5M
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Marcelo Bico
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Helix
Valeu, doido! Boas informações. Passei a vida acreditando que essas duas músicas aí haviam saído da cabeça do Ringo.
E agora analisando friamente: realmente elas têm um estilo meio George Harrison mesmo...
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fripp
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Luiz Frusciante
Ele nem é o melhor baterista dos Beatles - Puro Lennon!
Mas quando ele foi gravar seu primeiro disco de estúdio solo, o fez com Ringo e o Klaus Voorman!
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Helix
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fripp
Bem lembrado !
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Helix
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Vou logo pedindo desculpas pelo long post que colocarei aqui e por estar em inglês. Acontece é que não resisti. Ele traz opinião de grandes bateristas e de alguns críticos musicais, sobre o Ringo.
Opiniões de críticos musicais e músicos, sobre Ringo.
Primeiro, Mike Portnoy, numa entrevista:
As a drummer were you picking up on what John Bonham, Ginger Baker and Keith Moon were playing?
My early classic rock heroes, the big three, were Keith Moon, John Bonham, and Ringo Starr; those were the big three. But then there was also Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell, and John Densmore and all of that late '60s, early '70s stuff was a huge, huge part of me developing as a musician. And then later on in the mid-70s came progressive rock and then in the '80s came more metal but it all began for me in the classic rock world of the '60s and '70s.
You were able to learn about playing drums from Ringo Starr?
Ringo is the guy. I mean the Beatles are literally my favorite band of all time. They were from the minute I was born until here at the age of 43. The Who and Zeppelin were also up there but really at the end of the day the Beatles are it for me. Number one.
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Kenny Arnoff -- "I consider him one of the greatest innovators of rock drumming and believe that he has been one of the greatest influences on rock drumming today... Ringo has influenced drummers more than they will ever realize or admit. Ringo laid down the fundamental rock beat that drummers are playing today and they probably don't even realize it. (Modern Drummer,Oct. 1987) . . Ringo always approached the song more like a songwriter than a drummer. He always served the music." (Modern Drummer, Dec. 1987)
Editor of Modern Drummer magazine, presenting the Editor's Achievement Award to Ringo -- "What is beyond question is Ringo's impact on an entire generation of drummers who first became drummers as a direct result of seeing and hearing him play in the early days of The Beatles. Literally hundreds of thousands of players -- including some of the greatest drummers playing today -- cite Ringo as their first motivating influence."
Max Weinberg -- "D. J. Fontana had introduced me to the power of the big beat. Ringo convinced me just how powerful that rhythm could be. Ringo's beat was heard around the world and he drew the spotlight toward rock and roll drummer. From ;his matched grip style to his pioneering use of staggered tom tom fills, his influence in rock drumming was as important and wide spread as Gene Krupa's had been in jazz." (The Big Beat, 1984)
Jim Keltner -- "I will always be there to support him. He's more than a dear friend. He's like an idol. He's everything to me. I still think of him musically every time I sit down and play drums. He's a very important guy to me. (Discoveries magazine, April 1993)
Phil Collins, drummer for Genesis -- "I think he's vastly underrated. The drum fills on A Day In The Life are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' They wouldn't know what to do." (interview for The Making of Sgt. Pepper, 1992)
Alex Van Halen -- " One of the most interesting things about Ringo is how he manage to maintain a level of self-esteem -- in addition to being a great player, of course. But he wasn't overshadowed as a human being by McCartney, Lennon or Harrison. I think he did a wonderful thing for drums because drummers would see him and think, "Hey, he's part of it, too." (Modern Drummer magazine, July 1993)
Andy Sturmer, drummer for Jellyfish -- "Ringo is a great guy and really amazing drummer. He has that feel that's between a shuffle and straight eights -- Ringo territory that nobody else can do. He played some amazing stuff on that (Time Takes Time) album." ( Modern Drummer, Aug. 1993)
Rory Storm -- "During the four or five years Ringo was with us, he really played the drums. He drove them. He sweated and swung and sung. Ringo sang about five numbers a night. He even had his own spot. It was called 'Ringo Starrtime.' " (Beatles Companion by Ted Greenwald)
D. J. Fontana -- "I was playing maracas or something behind him, just listening to him. I swear he never varied the tempo. He played that back beat and never got off it. Man, you couldn't have moved him with a crane. It was amazing. He played a hell of a back beat, Man, and that's where it's at." (interview for The Big Beat by Max Weinberg)
Mike Finkelstein -- "If you have ever been in a band where you had to recreate Beatle songs, you would have realized that Ringo Starr was no slouch. Those drum parts were very tricky and subtle. He did have a special ability to create interesting rhythmic structures within the music. This gave the Beatles a unique sound without loosing that distinctive drive in rock and roll. ... Ringo moved smoothly from verse to chorus without loosing the groove by subtly changing a texture in the rhythm. Ringo is an important drummer to study well." (Teach Yourself Rock Drumming, 1979)
Bob Cianci -- "He must have done something right. People today still look for people who play like Ringo. If you don't believe me, just check the musical ads. On top of all this, he certainly inspired countless millions of teenagers worldwide to learn drums. There's no doubt it, Ringo's a very important rock drummer. ... What Ringo does on the most basic of terms is make the music feel good. He refers to his playing as being fraught with silly fills due to his self-admitted lack of technique, but he says it proudly. ... Sometimes chops do not a real drummer make." (Great Rock Drummers of the 60s, 1989)
Peter Blake -- "Ringo is one of the most important drummers of the 20th century. While he hasn't got any technique to speak of, he realizes how important It is for a song to feel good. His feel is absolutely tremendous. He got some great sounds on the Beatles records. It wasn't all production and microphones, a lot of it was down to the way he tuned them. ... He has tremendous basic ability. Obviously there were people playing in a straight-forward manner before him, but he had a definite feel and he changed pop drumming around. He changed the sound from hat of the high-pitched jazz drummers. I think he's tremendous." (Speaking Words of Wisdom)
Mark Lewisohn -- "It is true that on only a handful of occasions during all of the several hundred session tapes and thousands of recording hours can Ringo be heard to have made a mistake or wavered in his beat. His work was remarkably consistent and excellent, from 1962 right through 1970." ( The Beatles Recording Sessions, 1988)
George Martin -- "Ringo has a tremendous feel for a song and he always helped us hit the right tempo the first time. He was rock solid. This made the recording of all the Beatle songs so much easier." (interviewed in 1988 for The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn)
Tim Riley -- "Ringo wanted to serve the songs rather than show off. As a song writer's drummer, Ringo was the type of musician who could follow instructions as he completed the overall sound. His commitment to the music was bigger than his ego." ( Tell Me Why, 1988)
Kenny Aronoff -- "He consistently came up with new ideas that always seemed perfect for the song, but it wasn't just a matter of him picking a basic beat for a song, because lots of drummers could do that. Ringo definitely had the right kind of personality and creative ideas for The Beatles music. You will rarely find a Beatles song without something noticeable that Ringo played or didn't play." (Modern Drummer magazine, Oct. 1987)
Al Kooper -- "Sgt. Pepper was the album that changed drumming more than anything else. Before that album, drum fills in rock and roll were pretty rudimentary, all much the same, and this record had what I call space fills where they would leave a tremendous amount of air. It was most appealing to me musically and the sound of the drums got much better. What I had to figure out now was what am I going to do to get drums to sound like that." (Summer of Love by George Martin, 1994)
Martin Torgoff -- "If I could think of a single passage in which Ringo's quintessential style as a drummer is most identifiable, it could well be something as, say, the drumming behind George's guitar solo in Paul's "Let It Be" after the organ trails off. There, in simple 4-4 time, Ringo comes in with a trademark thump of his base drum, clear tattering snare, and his insistent smashing of the high hat, unvarying, unyielding, yet distinctively Ringo, and you can't help but smile not for its banality but because it is so perfectly adequate and because one can readily envision Ringo behind his kit as he plays, his beringed fingers clutching his sticks, swaying beatifically from side to side as he gets on with his work, blinking those astonishingly saturnine blue eyes." (The Compleat Beatles, 1985)
Dino Danelli, drummer for The Rascals -- "I liked him. He had great style. I never saw anyone play the way he did. I liked his simplicity. (1984 interview for The Big Beat by Max Weinberg)
George Martin -- "I did quickly realize that Ringo was an excellent drummer for what was required. He's not a technical drummer. Men like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa would run rings around him, but he is a good solid rock drummer with a steady beat, and he knows how to get the right sound out of his drums. Above all, he does have an individual sound. You can tell Ringo's drums from anyone else's and that character was a definite asset to the Beatles' early recordings." (All You Need Is Ears, 1979)
Mike McCartney -- "There were quite a few drummers around Liverpool and I used to go home and tell Paul about Ringo. I often saw him play with Rory Storm. ...With Rory he was a very inventive drummer. He goes around the drums like crazy. He doesn't just hit them -- he invents sounds." (1983 interview for The Beatles: A Celebration by Geoffrey Guilliano, 1992)
Max Weinberg -- "More than any other drummer, Ringo Starr changed my life. The impact and memory of that band on Ed Sullivan Show in 1964 will never leave me. I can still see Ringo in the back moving that beat with his whole body, his right hand swinging off his sock cymbal while his left hand pounds the snare. He was fantastic, but I think what got to me the most was his smile. I knew he was having the time of his life." (The Big Beat, 1984)
Lenny Kaye -- "He was always meant to be utilitarian, a drummer to provide feisty beat. He did this directly with wit imagination and the famous Ringo personality. And his Spartan Ludwig kit showed his ability to cut economically to the heart of the rhythm." (interview for The Compleat Beatles, 1985)
Martin Torgoff -- "As a drummer, he was a natural, purely intuitive, remarkably tasteful, spirited, but always basic, a proponent of less is more school of minimal drumming. ...He had an uncanny understanding of John's rhythm and Paul's base line. Time and again, the Beatles rode his backbeat to glory. Precisely because he never overstated a beat, or over accented a phrase (unless it was appropriate) he managed to get more mileage out of his licks than most drummers could ever dream of. The results were extraordinary." (The Compleat Beatles, 1985)
Don Was -- "Ringo's drums are one of the greatest things you can have on a record."
Buddy Rich -- "Ringo Starr was adequate. No more than that." (Speaking Words of Wisdom by Spencer Leigh [Leigh's note: "Buddy Rich's opinions were as forceful as his drumming. So don't be dismayed, Ringo, he paying you a compliment."])
Dave Ballinger -- "Technically brilliant drummers do not necessary make good rock drummers. ...You don't have to be a technical Buddy Rich type drummer, you just need to be inventive. He (Ringo) did things I would never have thought of doing." (interview for Speaking Words of Wisdom)
Chris Whitten -- " I think I understand why he (Paul) loves Ringo, now after working with him. Paul loves 50s Rock 'n' Roll and Ringo is a great 50s Rock 'n' Roll drummer." (Rhythm magazine, 1990)
Hal Howland -- "It is fascinating to trace the drummer's stylistic development from rock-steady club veteran to studio innovator ... Ringo's command of an exhaustive list of arrangements and new originals is matched only by his versitility. (review for Modern Drummer magazine, June 1995)
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